mmlosh@"once debian includes something like 0.5 or 0.8" -- are they going for that? that would be nice
Link Mauvemmlosh, it was a joke about them always including terribly old versions. :p
mmloshwell. I just looked at the version there. Now I get the joke, 'cause its 0.15
Link Mauve0.8 was like three years ago, 0.5 in 2010. :p
Link Mauvemmlosh, ah, we were talking about poezio, not Gajim.
Link MauveGajim is at 0.16.5 currently.
mmloshOOOh. that didn't fit into the scrollback
mmloshRegarding gajim - could my SRV functionality be stuck?
mmloshgajim is not resolving the XMPP SRV record and goes directly for lb1-hap.jabbim.cz
mmloshI mean:
Expected:
a) resolve SRV _xmpp-client._tcp.jabber.cz
b) get "lb1-hap.jabbim.cz"
c) resolve A lb1-hap.jabbim.cz
mmloshbut that srv request does not happen. The resolver ges only the A request for lb1-hap,
which gajim *should not* know about without doing that srv lookup first
Link Mauvemmlosh, it probably did and cached it?
mmloshobviously. But why and where?
Link MauveAlthough that’s generally not a random program’s role to cache that stuff.
mmloshagreed
mmloshand even if so, it should re-do that srv request if connection fails
mmloshthats what just happened. They migrated and the srv is now pointing for "lb.jabb.im", but my gajim did not get the memo
Link MauveAh, that might be a cache in your resolver instead; how did you determine Gajim doesn’t ask, and not just like, get the old value due to the TTL?
mmloshI did the SRV lookup by dig. That didn't hit any cache
mmloshI also looked at tcpdump. There are no srv requests. And I am sure that glibc stub resolver does not chace anything across reboots
mmloshActually, there is not a single packet before the lb1-hap A request
mmloshsomething must be rotten on my end, obviously. Let me try with a reboot
Link Mauvemmlosh, make sure you didn’t set that as a forced host in your account.
mmloshI did that so I could connect to the new domain
mmloshwell. that is super-odd
mmloshthis reboot helped. No more ghosts :)
mmloshSo, a correction: the SRV request actually happens after reboot
It has a TTL of 3600. So unless they fixed the SRV super-recently, it should have expired by itself.
mmloshthe important part is, that it works. Thanks for the (moral) support :)
stefanoHi,
I use Gajim 0.16.5 and got a stacktrace from Gajim out of nothing. The program was in the background. No other infos. So i tink a bug report is useles?
stefanohttps://paste.gajim.org/view/55a47365
Link Mauvestefano, I think it’s a valid bug, the code seems to make the assumption it will always get a full JID while it was apparently called with a bare JID in your case.
Link Mauvearune, linus, ^
stefanoIs there a know problem with the tracker mail server? I tried to register and verify my email but i don't got a mail. Tried to click on „Resend Email“, waited a few minutes, look in my spam folder, check if the given email address is right.
Link MauveNo idea, maybe send an email to Asterix about that.
stefanoLink Mauve, thanks. I drop a message on XMPP because i found the JID faster that a mail address.
Link MauveHe’s generally not online currently.
lovetoxstefano, i hope we get a new issue tacker in some days
stefanoOk. In the meantime i parked my two tracebacks on paste.gajim.org. I report them when the new tracker is online.
If somebody is interested, this is the traceback i got when i try to quit gajim: https://paste.gajim.org/view/af60d153
lovetoxthanks for reporting
arunelovetox: new issuetracker??
lovetoxAsterix is playing around with gitlab :)
cibliaGIt: What is the logic of that scary red X showing message was not sent? I have it all the time with one person and when I send something from Conversations, the red Xes disappear soon and turn into green checkmarks.
praveenlovetox: hosted instance or gitlab.com?
lovetoxself hosted
lovetoxciblia: send a message, and look in the xml console
lovetoxif a received result comes back from the contact
lovetoxwhat do you mean with "all of the time"
cibliait seems like unnecressary scare to user
lovetoxliteraly with every message
ciblialiterally with every message until I say something with Conversations and then they probably check the message and all marks turn green
lovetoxhm do you have activated "show icon when your messages are received"
lovetoxin preference
lovetoxfirst page
cibliaYes
lovetoxdoes it help if you deactivate that
cibliaSeems so. The only difference is that now I got message of the person being idle (away for over 5 minutes)
lovetoxwhat client does you contact use?
cibliaI think Conversations at the moment, but also has Gajim which I imagine to be the latest stable version
lovetoxhm and you use encryption?
cibliaOMEMO which has another issue of my messages suddenly stopped being visible on my Conversations even if it's trusted in settings.
lovetoxso first i agree, red X is not really a good UI design
lovetoxi would make sure that your contact is receiving the messages
lovetoxbecause i wrote with someone on conversations just now, and the x goes away after a second
lovetoxit could also depend on the network he is on
lovetoxwe can only let the read x go away if we get a response
cibliawhen it's pointed, it says that the message hasn't been received and if it stays for longer, the message has probably been lost.
They are receiving the messages at least after I have messaged from Conversations. I don't know their network, but there hasn't been an issue in the past and they are on the same XMPP server.
lovetoxbut there seems to be an issue, if you cant receive your own messages anymore suddenly
lovetoxcan you check if conversations is in gajim trusted and vica versa
lovetoxthough in gajim that would be under tab "own devices"
lovetoxyou can make it visible on any contact
cibliaConversations in Gajim is trusted, but it seems like it's untrusted in reality. Gajim in Conversations is trusted as I see the messages I send from there on Gajim.
cibliaWhere do I find the own devices tab? I am only able to find my devices on the same tab where all other fingerprints Gajim has encountered are.
lovetoxjust open a chat window with any person
lovetoxicon -> fingerprints
lovetoxown devices
cibliaIcon being the fish? There is only fingerprints where there is only known fingerprints where I see all fingerprints from the contact and Gajim fingerprint
lovetoxthen you are on a super old version
cibliaThat shouldn't be possible
lovetoxso what version are you on?
cibliaThat is the case -.-
cibliaFor some reason installed says I have OMEMO 0.7.0, but in the available tab I have no version of OMEMO installed. I also don't have any AUR package installed.
lovetoxhm..
lovetoxweird
lovetoxjust update via gajim interface
lovetoxpackage is only needed for the first time, if you are missing dependencys
lovetoxor do it via AUR
cibliathat made the plugin disappear entirely, but now I am on 0.9.0 after quitting and starting and enabling
lovetoxthats good, look in the console for any errors
lovetoxwe had some migrating issues
lovetoxfrom early versions
cibliathe version was 0.7.0 and now I see own devices tab which tells me I am talking on different account than I thought on Gajim, but I see that all other clients are untrusted. Thanks
lovetoxbeware
lovetoxin the "other devices" tab
lovetoxare only your other devices
lovetoxif you want your own fingerprint you have to go to the plugin config
lovetoxah no
lovetoxsorry
lovetoxi changed that alredy
lovetoxhaha
lovetoxits actually in the same window :D
cibliaI was going to ask what is that "Own Fingerprint: 506148B5 CC48623E 5F01E7C6 68F08FF5 8BB02D2A DA7449C2 E24F2BC2 0A054F6B" thing
lovetoxthats the fingerprint from the account you are using with gajim on that device
cibliaso I thought
lovetoxhaha
lovetoxmaybe this also was the reason for the long standing read Xs
lovetoxbut im not sure
lovetoxwe will switch to something different in gtk3 version
lovetoxconversation uses a slightly other standard for seeing and received
cibliaI guess that is easy to test. Conversations started receiving messages after being trusted by the way.
lovetoxours is a bit outdated and not very useful
cibliaImmediate green checkmark
cibliaWhy Gajim didn't communicate me that I was using ancient version of OMEMO and there would have been more recent one in available plugins? Different signature or something that F-Droid tends to give?
cuchm is there a gtk3 branch for gajim? i only find a closed branch called "gtk3" in the trac-browser
linuscuc, default branch is gtk3
cucah
linusgajim-plugins has a branch named gtk3 which goes with gajim's default branch. It's a bit confusing...
cucthx... is it usable already? :)
Link Mauveciblia, haha, signatures, Gajim has none of that.
cibliadoesn't want to hear that every time she downloads a Gajim plugin it connects to HTTP://somewhererandom.gajim.org
Link MauveI highly dislike programs who try to be a package manager while they know nothing of that.
Link Mauveciblia, ftp://, even worse. :)
cibliaD:
Link Mauveciblia, since you are on ArchLinux, imo it’s better to package plugins and keep that up to date, pacman is a much better package manager than Gajim.
linuscuc, I'm using it
cibliaLink Mauve, so I should uninstall that plugin I installed with Gajim, quit Gajim and install that AUR package?
And just to confirm, Gajim doesn't download plugins over insecure connection without any kind of checking that the plugin hasn't been tampered with?
linusHas a few minor layout issues that just make it look a little bit bad, but it's perfectly usable.
linusciblia, I think lovetox was working on getting the plugin manager to use STARTTLS
lovetoxit always used SSL
lovetoxah TLS
ciblia:( you weren't joking
cibliaoh, good
linusoh, it did?
lovetoxit just didnt validate the certificate
linushahaha
Link Mauveciblia, it doesn’t check for tampering AFAIK.
Link Mauveciblia, but yes, that’s what I’d do.
cuclol
cuclinus, ok ill try it out then thx
cibliabut is at least secure connection and verifies the certificate?
Link MauveEncrypted connection, but doesn’t verify it.
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Bug description
Repeated display () of an error box with the following message.
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File "c:\python27\lib\site-packages\nbxmpp\dispatcher_nb.py", line 497,
in dispatch
File "src\common\connection_handlers.py", line 671, in _vCardCB
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ciblia:(
lovetoxbut its not that easy to do
lovetoxpython didnt support verification until 3.4 i believe
cibliaone IRC bot used that excuse too
Link Mauvelovetox, good thing the next Gajim will work on it. :)
lovetoxyes, its working already on windows
lovetoxthough guess what
lovetoxevery linux distribution uses their own location for certs
lovetoxthere is no standard
lovetoxi dont get it to work on linux
lovetoxalways cert verification error :D
Link Mauvelovetox, shouldn’t that be something the libraries used are already doing? :/
cucshouldnt the openssl api care about the cert location aka truststore?
lovetoxit should, python uses openssl
lovetoxbut i dont get it to work :)
lovetoxit should be pretty easy in theory
cibliaok, all plugins that Gajim allowed me to uninstall uninstalled including that plugin installer itself and now I am in the AUR version. I wondered should I take git directly as I use Gajim git, but I thought stable is more stable and secure in case I forget to update it
cucgajim has git repo?
cibliano, but OMEMO plugin has
cucah ok
lovetoxno dont use omemo git
cibliaoh, sorry, I said gajim git, I meant gajim-hg is the AUR package
cuci dont use or know anything about hg so i would have liked the idea of a gajim-git repo ;)
cucpity
lovetoxwe get some maybe soon
cuchooray!
cibliahg is Mercurial and I think you clone repo with "hg clone" command, but I am not sure and I don't know about it further
lovetoxciblia, only omemo has a AUR package
cucyeah thats the only thing i knew... :)
Link Mauveciblia, current stable lacks many fixes that were included in later gajim_0.16 commits, I’d advise going for this branch instead.
lovetoxyou would have to clone all other plugins from hg then
lovetoxor wait a few days, 0.16.6 should be ready any day now :)
Link Mauveciblia, in the gajim-hg package, add #branch=gajim_0.16 at the end of the source value to use this one instead of default.
cibliaI went to gajim-hg a few weeks ago as few weeks earlier, I was told that some maintainer who is the only one who can make a release has gone missing or something
Link Mauveciblia, you can ask to take back maintainership by posting to aur-general@ AFAIK.
lovetoxnot missing :) only has not enough time
cibliaI haven't had issues with this one, and I think I prefer to use whatever the AUR maintainer wants to give
cibliaLink Mauve, I meant Gajim maintainer outside Arch
Link Mauveciblia, ah no, better, you can now click “submit a request” and ask for orphaning, on AUR, nice.
Link Mauveciblia, oh ok.
cibliais already maintaining one scary AUR package
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Ah, probably due to two instances running (waiting to confirm). Windows lose track of the roster where it is closed (to systray), and tries to start a new instance when clicking on the icon again.
https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/8397#comment:1
Link MauveI maintain way too many, 33 packages currently…
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Link Mauvetmolitor: I think you remember wrongly, I never asked you to do any thumbnail, I just suggested you to use XHTML-IM to send the image with the metadata that it is an image instead of using the terrible hack Conversations uses, it would be better to not have any thumbnail and instead just the image itself imo.