Gajim - 2014-04-25


  1. Darlan It seems that after switching from/to Invisible status, roster contacts disappear. Please confirm this.
  2. Darlan mmlosh, may you confirm?
  3. Darlan Asterix, please confirm.
  4. Asterix yes indeed
  5. Darlan Asterix, do you want to open a ticket for that bug?
  6. Link Mauve Which kind of invisibility? If it’s privacy list-based invisibility you can expect all kind of bugs, like MUCs being unusable or such.
  7. Asterix it is privacy list, yes. The strange thing is that when I connect with another account on another server, I still receive the online presence (of course the other don't receive my presence
  8. mmlosh Darlan, still need me?
  9. mmlosh btw: is there a reason why Ctrl+Q works only when the rooster is focused?
  10. Darlan No, Asterix already confirmed the issue. Thank you, anyway :-)
  11. mmlosh ok
  12. Darlan > btw: is there a reason why Ctrl+Q works only when the rooster is focused? On which other case so you want it to work?
  13. mmlosh when the chat window is focused
  14. mmlosh of course
  15. Darlan When using GIMP: File > Create > Screenshot... you can not use Ctrl+Q to Quit The GIMP; you must have main window focused. I guess the same is applied for Gajim.
  16. Darlan Though, since some are used to XChar interface, it might be appropriate to make Ctrl+Q to Quit Gajim also when a Chat dialog is focused.
  17. mmlosh isn't such dialogue focused only when I want to take a screenshot and closed afterwards?
  18. mmlosh contrary to gajim, where I almost never focus the rooster, what for..
  19. Asterix there is no reason to qui Gajim, we chould remove the quit button ;)
  20. mmlosh :D
  21. Darlan > isn't such dialogue focused only when I want to take a screenshot and closed afterwards? No, I am not bound to it, if that is what you meant to, I can leave it open while using The GIMP main window.
  22. Darlan hehe
  23. Darlan Asterix, honestly, what do you think?
  24. Darlan I think there is sense in what mmlosh is manifesting.
  25. Darlan Though, in such case, Gajim must display a warning dialog (and "Do not ask me again" option).
  26. mmlosh why?
  27. Asterix for me it sounds logic to close the current window qith ctrl_q
  28. Asterix for me it sounds logic to close the current window with ctrl+q
  29. mmlosh for me it would make sense for the "app window with tabs" to behave the same way firefox does
  30. mmlosh if I have multiple windows in firefox.. hmm.. no idea
  31. mmlosh whole firefox goes down
  32. Asterix in FF when you close all tabs it's the same as closing FF, not in Gajim
  33. mmlosh I have that turned off
  34. mmlosh when I close the last tab, it just goes blank
  35. Link Mauve Asterix, in Firefox, ^Q always closes every window.
  36. Link Mauve Not just the current focused one.
  37. mmlosh thanks, lm
  38. Asterix because you have focus to the main (and only) window
  39. Link Mauve It’s the standard way AFAIK.
  40. Asterix in Gajim the main window is the roster
  41. mmlosh not for me
  42. Asterix you can't have a chat window and no roster window
  43. mmlosh the rooster is really auxiliary
  44. Asterix but you can have only a roster window
  45. mmlosh well., yes, I do have it displayed
  46. Link Mauve Asterix, you can actually, if you have a systray. :p
  47. Asterix even hidden it's still there
  48. mmlosh but there are session when the only time I focus it is doing ctrl+q
  49. mmlosh (thanks to open-tabs-preserval feature)
  50. Asterix :)
  51. Darlan mmlosh, you can join roster and chat window into one.
  52. mmlosh but then I would have the rooster on the wrong side
  53. mmlosh (central europe, ICQ land)
  54. mmlosh (east-central europe, ICQ land)
  55. mmlosh not really the point, though.
  56. mmlosh So.. for me the main window is definitely the chat window, the rooster is more of a "select network to connect"-dialogue :)
  57. mmlosh < I'll be back in an hour or os
  58. mmlosh < I'll be back in an hour or o
  59. mmlosh < I'll be back in an hour or so
  60. Darlan Asterix, Midori web browser http://midori-browser.org/ can have its sidebar positioned on left or right, in accord to user's preference.
  61. mmlosh Asterix, in gimp case.. no matter how many files I have open
  62. mmlosh ^Q also closes them all and quits gimp
  63. mmlosh < I'll be back in an hour or so
  64. Asterix mmlosh: what about having chat tabs in in same window as roster and hide roster then?
  65. Darlan Sounds great.
  66. Darlan It would be nice to apply for MUC roster too.
  67. Darlan > It would be nice to apply for MUC roster too. Not before bug of ticket #6871 is fixed.
  68. Darlan > I think there is sense in what mmlosh is manifesting. > Though, in such case, Gajim must display a warning dialog (and "Do not ask me again" option). Related to ticket #7451
  69. mmlosh I'm back
  70. mmlosh Darlan, ah.. general "really quit gajim" feature
  71. mmlosh then it should cover all means of closing of course
  72. Darlan Yes, the one that is already available.
  73. mmlosh I thought you proposed a warning dialogue for this case specifically :P
  74. Darlan Yes, also.
  75. mmlosh I don't really see the reason, provided that ^Q feels to me like a standard "close application" shortcut
  76. Darlan But I do not think Asterix want to do what I have asked for at #7451 so maybe your issue should be discussed on another ticket.
  77. mmlosh yeah, discussing presence of a quit-confirm dialogue is probably a separate topic
  78. mmlosh maybe - did I forget to mention that I quite dislike closing gajim with a sequence "ctrl+Q alt-tab ctrl+Q" ? (the first ^Q is before I realize it won't do anything)
  79. Darlan > mmlosh: what about having chat tabs in in same window as roster and hide roster then?
  80. mmlosh I remember I chose separation because the one-window-for-all felt wrong to me
  81. mmlosh again, possibly because my country being land of ICQ
  82. Darlan LeechCraft is an AIO software (News, RSS, XMPP and more)
  83. mmlosh so.. probably would work I guess? Apart from the rooster-on-the-other-side and the lack of desktop background stripe between the windows
  84. mmlosh Darlan, how is that related??
  85. Darlan It is not. I just mention it.
  86. mmlosh strange
  87. Darlan > and the lack of desktop background stripe between the windows To what sort of stripe do you mean?
  88. mmlosh I have ~30px gap between the chat and rooster windows
  89. mmlosh through that gap my desktop background can be seen
  90. mmlosh (and I think I like that thick separator bar)
  91. Darlan I guess an outline frame should be added to the separator between roster and chat.
  92. Darlan mmlosh, having chat tabs in in same window as roster while being able to hide roster, as Asterix proposed, would leave you with the menu-bar of main window (roster) which would feel more like XChat.
  93. afics how does gajim connect to the gnome-keyring daemon?
  94. mmlosh true, it would feel like xchat
  95. mmlosh I don't think I want gajim to feel like xchat
  96. mmlosh I don't think I want gajim to feel like xchat, though
  97. afics I have got ssh and gpg working, but gajim says it can't connect to the keyring daemon. Environment variables are exacatly the same as if I'm running gnome-session.
  98. mmlosh afics, i think there is dbus involved
  99. mmlosh oh, Darlan left :/
  100. Darlan mmlosh, press Ctrl+R while in Single Window Mode.
  101. Darlan Ha! I did not know this is possible. I think I will stay with Single Window Mode from now on.
  102. Darlan afics, I suggest to send an email to Gajim-devel and expect to a respond from Asterix. https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
  103. afics Darlan, I'll try to find out, what the problem is, if I can't find it, I'll write to gajim-devel
  104. Darlan I hope you will find a solution ASAP.
  105. Darlan After switching back to "Detached roster with single chat", my roster is blanked (gray GTK background)
  106. Darlan I have switched again and detached roster is back to normal.
  107. afics Darlan, fixed, I messed up my i3 config ;)
  108. Darlan Great! What is i3?
  109. afics a tiling window manager like awesome
  110. Darlan http://i3wm.org/
  111. afics yep
  112. Darlan See! smart people use gajim http://i3wm.org/screenshots/i3-5.png
  113. afics haha
  114. mmlosh Darlan, what will ^R do?
  115. Darlan Hide the roster.
  116. Darlan AHHH!
  117. Darlan That damn, probably E2E related, bug.
  118. Darlan Where is Gajim's bot?
  119. mmlosh but I want my rooster displayed.. I admit that would be a viable workaround for having gajim close on imo-standard keyboard shortcut.. but doesn't really say why some of you claim that quitting on ^Q should do something else than quit
  120. Asterix gone since server restart
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  123. Darlan mmlosh, please open a ticket in concern to quitting Gajim from chat by using ^Q.
  124. Asterix Darlan: https://hg.gajim.org/gajim/rev/ebdd75803280 should fix e2e
  125. mmlosh 'right
  126. Asterix another point about that: there is no menu to show this shortcut
  127. mmlosh perhaps all rooster shortcuts should work?
  128. Darlan Asterix, I use Gajim 0.16-rc1-ebdd75803280 and problem persists.
  129. Asterix any tb?
  130. Darlan Not on this session. Try several times more.
  131. Darlan oops, you are here
  132. mmlosh ... looking at the avaiable shortcuts from main menu.. It over 1/2 of them would be useful if they worked application-wide (only "Show ... Contacts" shortcuts are possibly questionable, but I would definitely use them too, if only they worked without alt-tab alt-tab)
  133. Asterix Darlan: I'm here, please don't use my debug accounts to contact me. I'm busy debugging something else
  134. Darlan ok
  135. Darlan Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/gajim/src/chat_control.py", line 2049, in _on_window_motion_notify if self.parent_win.get_active_jid() == self.contact.jid: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'jid'
  136. Darlan Thank you for your time, Jef.
  137. Darlan Apparently, https://hg.gajim.org/gajim/rev/ebdd75803280 did not fix tickets #7722 #7723
  138. Darlan This problem is not related to E2E (error reproduced when dicson sent me a message after I sent him a message). Should I prepare a log?
  139. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7194 (Info Bar dialogs) updated The following dialog transient for roster. Unable to decrypt message from %s\n It may have been tampered with. Maybe this dialog should be an infobar or appear inline in chat. https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7194#comment:12
  140. Asterix a way to repro s the best thing to debug that
  141. Asterix if developpers can't repro, it's hard to debug
  142. Darlan Asterix, (1) I send a message (2) peer sends a message back (3) bug!
  143. Darlan Maybe just step (2).
  144. Darlan It appears to be applied for MUC-PM.
  145. Asterix ok I have it
  146. Darlan oh nice!
  147. Darlan I do not see messages that I launch.
  148. Darlan No error messages, though.
  149. Darlan Connectivity issue on my end, I guess.