Gajim - 2013-10-02


  1. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7502 (display_html() takes at least 4 arguments) closed wontfix: Plugin version does not match the version of Gajim. You need to update the plugin. The current version - 0.0.5. I close the ticket, but if you have problems after the update - write here and I get a notice in the mail. For new tickets please use ​http://trac-plugins.gajim.org/newticket. Thank you! https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7502#comment:5
  2. henk hey, gajim asks me to report a bug, so here I am and there is the bug: http://pastie.org/8371628 and here is the one which came a few seconds after the first: http://pastie.org/8371630
  3. henk And that "report bug" window is really a nice idea, but I was a bit disappointed that it only opened the website about how to report bugs instead of just sending it via some other mechanism like firefox and other software with similar features does. I hope that’s to come (:
  4. Darlan henk, create a new ticket and list the steps to reproduce this error.
  5. Link Mauve henk, btw you can use openid.
  6. henk Darlan, I don’t want another account in some random bugtracker …
  7. henk Link Mauve, I’m not sure what that is, but I’m almost certain I do not have it.
  8. Link Mauve A way to have only one account on your server, and use it elsewhere.
  9. Link Mauve Well, your server or somewhere else, but I wouldn’t give anyone else control over my identity.
  10. Darlan henk, please list the steps to reproduce each of these errors and detail your GTK+/PyGTK/OS versions.
  11. Link Mauve A browserid way to authenticate would be a good addition.
  12. henk Link Mauve, hm, no, I think I don’t like the concept … but thanks for mentioning it.
  13. Darlan >I was a bit disappointed that it only opened the website about how to report bugs instead of just sending it via some other mechanism like qupzilla and other software with similar features does. What do you think of an automated bug submission mechanism within Gajim for OpenID users?
  14. henk Darlan, steps to reproduce: run gajim, python-gtk2 2.24.0, libgtk2.0-0 2.24.21, gajim-nightly 20130917, debian unstable
  15. henk Darlan, Certainly an improvement for openid users, but not for anyone else (;
  16. Darlan >gajim-nightly 20130917 Please update gajim and nbxmpp, and then report us if problem persist.
  17. henk hmyeah, no, never mind then …
  18. Link Mauve Darlan, no, Mozilla’s crash reporting doesn’t ask the user for anything.
  19. Link Mauve Well, it asks if they want to report it, and add additional informations, but no account whatsover.
  20. Link Mauve It simply connects to Mozilla’s servers if the user agreed, and gives them debug informations.
  21. Link Mauve I just read the traceback, form.getField('modp').getOptions() is really dangerous and should never be used if getField(…) doesn’t always return the object wanted.
  22. Link Mauve It should only be used in a try block.
  23. Darlan >no, Mozilla’s crash reporting doesn’t ask the user for anything. I know, but I do not think Asterix would want to handle potential excessive spam.
  24. Darlan >I just read the traceback, form.getField('modp').getOptions() is really dangerous and should never be used if getField(…) doesn’t always return the object wanted. Are you going to report it?
  25. Link Mauve Darlan, I guess it’s all over the code.
  26. Link Mauve I’ll maybe run a regexp to find more, but first it’s time to prepare for school. :(
  27. Link Mauve You can report it if you want.
  28. Link Mauve Darlan, it’s pretty easy to filter a traceback from spam.
  29. Link Mauve Like, really easy.
  30. Darlan What to report? Please provide me with title and summary.
  31. Link Mauve I don’t have time, sorry.
  32. Darlan ok
  33. Darlan henk, for how long do you use Gajim?
  34. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7503 (form.getField('modp').getOptions() is dangerous) created problem form.getField('modp').getOptions() is really dangerous and should never be used if getField(…) doesn’t always return the object wanted. It should only be used in a try block. --​Link Mauve analysis The following trackbacks are realizations. They were originally sent as a Bug report by ​henk in regard to another matter. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/[…] https://trac.gajim[…]
  35. Darlan henk, #7504 :-P
  36. Darlan #7504
  37. bot Darlan: http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7504 (Automated bug submission mechanism)
  38. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7504 (Automated bug submission mechanism) created phenomenon Some Gajim users are too lazy to open an account at trac and report a bug. background analysis that "report bug" window is really a nice idea, but I was a bit disappointed that it only opened the website about how to report bugs instead of just sending it via some other mechanism like qupzilla and other software with similar features does[…] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7504
  39. henk Darlan, Since about two weeks or so, why? Thanks for reporting the bug. I’m not too lazy though, just fed up with having to open a new account _everywhere_. I already have more than enough accounts.
  40. Darlan >Since about two weeks or so, why? I thought for a longer period. I wondered since this dialog, despite not being a new feature, was fixed until roughly a month ago. >Thanks for reporting the bug. You are welcome. >I’m not too lazy though, just fed up with having to open a new account _everywhere_. I was facetious :-) >I already have more than enough accounts. Me, too.
  41. henk oh ok, it’s always a little hard to discern sincerity and fun in the written word (:
  42. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7504 (Automated bug submission mechanism) closed wontfix: and we'll get 100 times the same bugs because users will never search if a ticket already exists about the bug they have. And if we do that this mean no anti-spam filter, so perfect for bots / spammers. https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7504#comment:1
  43. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7504 (Automated bug submission mechanism) updated I would not recommended to automaticly create tickets for these kind of stuff, but to store these reports somewhere on a server, so someone can look through and reproduce an issue, this someone can create a fullfledged ticket. https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7504#comment:2
  44. Darlan Link Mauve, did you read the comments for ticket #7504?
  45. 0xAFFE btw, this is realy cool: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/home/products/Firefox
  46. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7504 (Automated bug submission mechanism) reopened this request a lot of development to do that. We don't have time to fix bugs, nor even to read tickets, so reading those pseudo errors will never happen. Making users think it will be handled is IMHO not a good thing. And in this case users that used to fill tickets won't do anymore and we won't be notified of bugs[…] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7504#comment:4
  47. Link Mauve Darlan, yes, and I too am worried about privacy.
  48. Link Mauve Users don’t fully understand what it means to send debug data.
  49. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7135 (Support for ZRTP) updated To implement ZRTP protocol the Farstream library would probably have to be modified. The maintainer of Farstream library olivier.crete is not interested in ZRTP, he prefers different encryption protocol DTLS. ​https://gist.github.com/JohnTheodore/5785494 ​http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0320.html The DTLS is still not implemented in Farstream, so no VoIP encryption. Anothe[…] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7135#comment:3
  50. Darlan 35% - 40% of tickets of 0.16 milestone are of Darlan <https://trac.gajim.org/milestone/0.16?by=reporter>.
  51. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7434 (Gajim crashes when Show Ofline Contacts is disabled) updated This crash (same 3 line output) has occurred to me when I switched from one valid iconset (goojim) to another valid iconset (jabberbulb) after selecting two deprecated iconsets wiki:iconsetnuvola wiki:iconsetgossip. No transports were used in this session. https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7434#comment:6
  52. kparal hi. it seems that Facebook changes SSL certificates very often, or it uses some round robin approach to redirect me to different server every time. I have to confirm every time that I really want to join. can I disable the dialog somehow?
  53. Asterix for security reasons, no ...
  54. Darlan kparal, do not use facebook <https://fsf.org/facebook>
  55. kcchouette Darlan, I think humans choose that they want to use…
  56. Darlan Or what they are persuaded to use by advertising or peer/societal pressure. Use decentralized means of communication to have more control on your end.
  57. kparal Asterix: there's no security gain if I have to confirm the dialog three times a week. that only makes me automatically press Yes the next time I see it for my Jabber account without noticing it
  58. kparal not that I could verify the fingerprint anyways
  59. kparal if the certificate is valid for that domain, just accept it automatically. the "change notifications" are an advanced feature for advanced users. general users don't know what that means in the first place
  60. kparal Firefox also doesn't warn me that a website certificate has been updated. someone might appreciate it, and it's good to have that option, I agree. but it's not the default
  61. kparal the most peculiar is that I can disable warnings about unencrypted connections. but i can't disable these dialogs, while using valid encrypted connection.
  62. Darlan It is not the same; when using a web browser, we visit many servers. When using Jabber/XMPP we are using, at least, the same number of servers as number of accounts.
  63. kparal even gtalk uses round robin servers and I have to confirm it sometimes. but with Facebook, it started happening extremely often. and I need to confirm that on both home and work computer every time. it gets annoying quickly
  64. kparal and btw saying "don't use foo provider" equals to saying "use a different client". it's a valid xmpp provider, no matter how anyone dislikes it
  65. Darlan Facebook has it own flaws, just like Gtalk, as they provide XMPP compatible services with limited features. Anyhow, I urge people not to use facebook since this service is centralized let alone immoral. The more people to use decentralized services, the more power the majority has.