Gajim - 2013-07-23


  1. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • العربية_11.gif attached to BiDi [00:00:00] العربية: 11 https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/wiki/BiDi/العربية_11.gif
  2. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7192 (RTL nicks are reversed when meta-information is displayed) reopened I will test the patch later. https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7192#comment:13 • Ticket #7291 (Correct alignment for U+0029 RIGHT PARENTHESIS at gajim.org) updated Ignore last comment. Translators can choose whether to keep the original order or use "NAME also known as NICK". https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7291#comment:11
  3. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • gajim.vc.2.diff attached to Ticket #7192 https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/ticket/7192/gajim.vc.2.diff • Ticket #7388 (You cannot join a group chat while you are invisible) closed wontfix: why available, why not busy or free for chat? Invisible isn't that much used, so won't fix https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7388#comment:2
  4. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7388 (You cannot join a group chat while you are invisible) updated I think so, too, but I have no good idea other than inserting a drop-down (combo-box) menu there which is not appropriate, in my humble opinion. Perhaps a drop-down menu without icons would look appropriate. https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7388#comment:3
  5. Darlan Big text http://picpaste.de/big_text-tGG6gCAb.png for this message: ‎[09:39:23] ‎bot: RSS: Feeds for Gajim • العربية_11.gif attached to BiDi [00:00:00] العربية: 11 https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/wiki/BiDi/العربية_11.gif (https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/wiki/BiDi/_11.gif-dq5d1b0c63a1o0u5k)
  6. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7391 (Bigger text in history log in-chat) created Bug description Sometimes (it occurred to me only once) there is bigger text in history log of chat room. Steps to reproduce Post this message: ‎[09:39:23] ‎bot: RSS: Feeds for Gajim • العربية_11.gif attached to BiDi [00:00:00] العربية: 11 https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/wiki/BiDi/العربية_11.gif (https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/wiki/BiDi/_11.gif-dq5d1b0c63a1o0u5k) (https://trac.g[…] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7391
  7. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7284 (Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm) reopened Gajim should ignore nicknames because if a message is LTR and nickname is RTL, Gajim will, mistakenly, align a message to RTL instead of LTR. From: BiDi Problem: Gajim does not ignore nicknames as Gajim sets alignment in accord to a given nickname instead of what is coming after "after_nickname". https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7284#comment:20
  8. Darlan if string is "nickname" in chat room (group chat & pm) or if string is "nickname" of contact (direct message), set direction_mark according to "message".
  9. Darlan I think this is to be made only in public group chat because when users use pm or direct chat they tend to chat with people of their own and would not start to press Alt+Shit to change language for naming and for message.
  10. Asterix Darlan, dicson: about https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/ticket/7192/gajim.vc.2.diff the direction mark should rather go in i18n.py
  11. Darlan May you do it for us?
  12. Asterix no time now ... Later.
  13. Asterix I don't understand your image in 7391
  14. Asterix and don't use non readable chars in image name. Links don't work
  15. Darlan this is the actual link https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/wiki/BiDi/العربية_11.gif
  16. Maranda Asterix, does Gajim ignore the unavailable presence flood from offline contacts on login?
  17. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • [] • Ticket #7391 (Bigger text in history log in-chat) updated I sent this this is the actual link https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/wiki/BiDi/العربية_11.gif and Gajim returned this ‎[14:18:07] ‎Darlan: this is the actual link https://tr[…] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7391#comment:1
  18. Asterix what do you mean by ignore?
  19. Asterix we indeed should not redraw them because status, show, prio, nothing changed I guess ...
  20. Asterix but I also think it's a server issue. why sending offline presences on startup?
  21. Maranda All servers tend doing that Asterix
  22. Maranda I just wondered what was Gajim's behaviour in this case, cause it may not help for large roster either.
  23. Maranda rosters*
  24. Darlan Maranda: May you send a screenshot? > [07:48:42 PM] Maranda: To address that it's moved on the right because of RTL? > [07:49:28 PM] Maranda: It does it also for room names which contains RTL
  25. Maranda Darlan the change is in nightly?
  26. Maranda Oh
  27. Darlan I am not sure, I need to see a screenshot in order to be certain. But you can check an see, after Dicson commit patches of #7192.
  28. Maranda Don't have a screen, but just enter an arab room on for instance jappix.com I suppose
  29. Maranda (muc.jappix.com rather)
  30. Darlan Maranda: This: نسمةدافئة@muc.jappix.com Instead of this: ‎نسمةدافئة@muc.jappix.com Correct?
  31. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • gajim.vc.3.diff attached to Ticket #7192 https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/ticket/7192/gajim.vc.3.diff
  32. Maranda yep
  33. Maranda Darlan, correct
  34. Darlan Maranda: Not fixed, yet.
  35. Darlan I would simply always force LRM. But I know there are domain names like http://הארץ.com
  36. dicson >‎[15:00:05] ‎Asterix‎: Darlan, dicson: about https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/ticket/7192/gajim.vc.2.diff >the direction mark should rather go in i18n.py fixed
  37. Darlan And I know Russia has a special TLD, see: Saint Petersburg State University http://www.спбгу.рф/
  38. Darlan So maybe some Semitic countries (Arab, Farsi, Pakistani) can have RTL in domain name and tld. But what would be the odds that people who would decide to use unreadable characters in their addresses (such as Saint Petersburg State University or some stupid Israeli/Jewish newspapers) would open an XMPP server?
  39. Darlan I would add LRM. Period.
  40. Darlan dicson: Try to join to xmpp:نسمةدافئة@muc.jappix.com?join (members-only) and just see the banner.
  41. Darlan Asterix: Does this text (http://www../-l2k4a4quan5bw), in the above history log messages, is bigger and in a different color?
  42. dicson ‎Darlan, I can't
  43. Darlan Me too. Just look at the banner
  44. dicson http://dicson.no-ip.info/apache2-default/screenshots/2013-07-23_17:15:29.png
  45. Darlan If we add LRM mark in the beginning, this is fixed. (it is the same for LTR and RTL so no need to use "if...")
  46. Maranda Asterix, btw
  47. Maranda ‎[13:48:05] ‎Maranda: All servers tend doing that Asterix ‎[13:48:41] ‎Maranda: I just wondered what was Gajim's behaviour in this case, cause it may not help for large roster either. ‎[13:48:47] ‎Maranda: rosters*
  48. Maranda regarding unavailable presences from offline subscribed contacts on login
  49. Asterix Maranda: yep indeed, but the presences arrive after we get roster, and are treated later, so that's not what causes Gajim to be slow on startup
  50. Maranda Asterix, perhaps Gajim still doesn't ignore 'em I suppose?
  51. Asterix we can't completly ignore them
  52. Asterix we have to parse them, and check a number of things befstopping processing them
  53. Maranda Well I dealt with it server wise by not probing local offline contacts (that solves most of the "flooding"), but I wondered about how clients behaved generally with it (for jappix).
  54. Maranda I'm not sure it makes a difference not getting an unavailable presence for Gajim (or other) from an offline contact
  55. Maranda bbiaw.
  56. Asterix Darlan: about #7192, I understand nothing to thosoe things. If that work and fixes the ticket, it can be committed
  57. Darlan dicson: We have gained an approval!
  58. dicson ‎Darlan, commit message?
  59. Darlan patch v3 https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7192#comment:18
  60. dicson :-/
  61. Darlan I do not understand?
  62. dicson Give me english string for commit message
  63. Darlan oh
  64. Darlan Improved BiDi support for banner text, popup with presence info and more status messages (kick, ban, change nick) fixes #7284 #7192
  65. Darlan I think I will remove my last comment from #7192 and open another ticket.
  66. Darlan I think I will remove my last comment from #7284 and open another ticket.
  67. dicson done
  68. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Changeset [14564:cbb4aa62b91d]: [Darlan & I]Improved BiDi support for banner text, popup with presence … [Darlan & I]Improved BiDi support for banner text, popup with presence info and more status messages (kick, ban, change nick) fixes #7284 #7192 https://trac.gajim.org/changeset/cbb4aa62b91dbdf1802efab295a0fdaa56def449
  69. Darlan Asterix: I verify that Gajim has now the best RTL/LTR/BiDi support than Pidgin and perhaps better than more others.
  70. Darlan I did not check with Miranda-IM but I assume it does have a good support due to its abundance rate of various of plugins of its own.
  71. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7392 (Better BiDi support for LTR/RTL chatters who use Semitic/Latin) created problem When Gajim is aligning messages (BiDi support), it does consider nickname as if it was a part of the message itself (technically, it is indeed a a part of message). Where does it happen? Group chats with English chatters who have RTL nicknames. Chatters of such, would not want their English messages to be aligned as if these[…] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7392
  72. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • gajim_nick_bidi_animation.gif attached to Ticket #7392 Proposed algorithm https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/ticket/7392/gajim_nick_bidi_animation.gif • gajim_nick_bidi_result.gif attached to Ticket #7392 Result of proposed algorithm https://trac.gajim.org/attachment/ticket/7392/gajim_nick_bidi_result.gif
  73. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7392 (Better BiDi support for LTR/RTL chatters who use Semitic/Latin) updated I propose the following algorithm, which is illustrated in ​gajim_nick_bidi_animation.gif and is realised in ​gajim_nick_bidi_result.gif: Note: All of the[…] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7392#comment:1 • Ticket #7392 (Better BiDi support for LTR/RTL chatters who use Semitic/Latin) updated gajim_nick_[…] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7392#comment:2
  74. Darlan Asterix: Is not this a typo? %(jid)s has been invited in this room %(jid)s has been invited to this room (s/in/to)
  75. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • BiDi edited Updated in […] https://trac.gajim.org/wiki/BiDi?version=14 • Ticket #7284 (Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm) closed fixed: In cbb4aa62b91d: [Darlan & […] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7284#comment:21 • Ticket #7192 (RTL nicks are reversed when meta-information is displayed) closed fixed: I[…] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7192#comment:19
  76. Asterix dicson: ouch ... - <requires lib="gtk+" version="2.16"/> + <!-- interface-requires gtk+ 3.0 -->
  77. dicson is it problem?
  78. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Changeset [14565:5cbc5b823ae9]: Add missing tooltips again Add missing tooltips again https://trac.gajim.org/changeset/5cbc5b823ae9d07328de65e72313f17d3068a28f
  79. Asterix we don't use GTK3. I don't know if some widget have different properties in gtk3 for example ...
  80. dicson I do not have old glade :-(
  81. Asterix you use debian?
  82. dicson yes
  83. Asterix amd64?
  84. dicson 386
  85. Asterix ha ok :/
  86. Asterix I always keep an old glade debian package but it's for amd64
  87. dicson I will replace this string
  88. Asterix no need to replace this line
  89. Asterix it's a comment
  90. dicson I have no warning
  91. Asterix but for example this adds <property name="can_focus">False</property> at many places. And this removes <property name="orientation">vertical</property>. How will gtk2 handle that
  92. Asterix ok then it's ok
  93. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Changeset [14566:18dad9eb4f83]: [Darlan] Update Hebrew translation [Darlan] Update Hebrew translation https://trac.gajim.org/changeset/18dad9eb4f838d34472d6f9d28aecdbe7ead9806
  94. Darlan Thanks
  95. Darlan Asterix: I think dicson has completed all the critical cases of BiDi, there are trivial issues left. When do you think/plan Gajim with BiDi support will/to be released?
  96. dicson ‎Darlan, need time for tests
  97. Darlan Good night
  98. bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #7389 (Be insensitive or do not insert text when input box is disabled) updated Owner changed https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/7389#comment:4